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a gun in his pocket as I came up sidewise to him. He promptly put his hand in his pocket and pulled it out. It so happens that I was behind him and I could do the old trick of putting my arms under his arms, and, although he was much taller than I was, I could throw his arms up so that he was without power to shoot at this fellow. Of course, in a minute the guard came, and the man put his gun back in the pocket. He went down to a little room and I made him give me the gun.

So we had people like that coming through and we had many occasions for consulting Lieutenant Newman about something or other in the background of people when deciding whether to give them a lump sum settlement or not, for instance, or when deciding whether to require the insurance company to pay further medical costs for psychiatric care perhaps in an institution, and a good many other things like that. We had some bigamy cases that would come up and we would have to say to Lieutenant Newman, “Give me a little lowdown on the background of this particular bigamy case.”

So I got to know him fairly well. When he heard I was going to be Secretary of Labor, he came over to the old office in New York to say goodbye to me and wish me well. It was a call of courtasy such as one official pays on another.

While he was making his call he said to me, “Commissioner,