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insight into Ballantine. They said that first day that Arthur Ballantine was the one person of the previous administration that you could deal with and that dealing with him was really helping them.

There was a great prejudice against Ogden Mills on the part of Woodin, Cummings, a couple of then who were former members of Congress, and the President. Hull and Swanson, as former Senators, had seen Ogden Mills in operation. They did not care for Ogden Mills. I think Ogden Mills' name was brought up at this first meeting. Somebody was asked, “Well, hasn't Mills done something about this?”

I remember Hull telling the story about Carter Glass, the Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. Apparently Mills had gone before the Senate Finance Committee and had, according to Hull, as he told the President, made a statement so evasive, so full of half-truths, so full of glitter and glamour that the realities were obscured. It amounted to being a misleading statement, although if you were really sharp you might have seen through it. As he talked on very glibly before the Senate committee, Carter Glass had intorrupted him. Carter Glass was a very much respected man, very much respected by the President. Why he didn't ask him to be Secretary of the Treasury, I don't know. Maybe he did. The President respected him