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very much. That was obvious. And everybody else did. Carter Glass was at the height of his general approval. I remember that Hull said that Carter Glass, who had begun to be just a little bit deaf, had left his seat and had walked to be nearer to Mill. Mills was speaking very rapidly, very glibly, using many high-falutin' terms, and so forth. Carter Glass had rapped on the table for attention and had said to him, “Ogden, I'm an old man. You must not try to fool me. You must not mislead me. I am an old man. You owe it to me to say what you have to say in terms that I can understand and not so fast, please.” He had called Mills down. He was a Minority Member of the Committee. He had insisted that Mills repeat what he said, leave off the glitter and the glamour that obscured the realities, and get down to the facts. He accused Mills of deliberately trying to mislead him.

There was a great prejudice against Ogden Mills on that account. The people who had open around Washington long and in Congress were definitely of the opinion that Ogden Mills was pulling wool over eyes all the time.

The next one down was probably Dern. Dern introduced this problem right away. He said, “Well, of course, Mr. President, the Army is the Army, you know. I'm just getting acquainted with the generals and the high command. We've