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certainly got a good outfit there. They're very concerned about the plight of the reserve officers, who, of course, are not employed. They're among the unemployed really. Most of them have had business or professional occupation and they haven't now. One of the things that is very interesting to me is that they are so concerned.”

He spoke primarily at that time as an ex-Governor. He hadn't lost his color of his feeling or being the Governor of the State of Utah. As the Governor of the State of Utah, he had been very much concerned, terribly concerned, with the decline of the economy and with the widespread unemployment. At that first meeting it was Dern who said, “Mr. President, as you know, I have been thinking of these problems of unemployment and the great distress of the people while I was Governor of Utah and you were Governor of New York. We have discussed that. I am more and more impressed, as I see the situation here, with the fact that that is one of our first obligations. We've got to move quick on that.”

The President said, “Yes, I know.”

This was after everybody else had been talking about the banking crisis. The President said, “Yes, we must. We will.”

I remember thinking then, as he was a stranger to me,