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were looking for further elements that would serve to spread the employment as far as it would go. That was all I said. I think my remarks must have taken a little less than one minute. I had intended them to be brief.

I tried to put no enthusiasm at all into my office, no color, but to speak in a very practical, businesslike, common sense voice. I was trying very hard to do that and not to have a bit of propaganda in it, or any drive or push. I was aware that every man in the room turned and looked at me and looked very hard. Garner, who was a little deaf in one ear, swung around in his chair, stopped smoking, leaned forward, looked, looked, listened, looked, listened, looked, then sat back in his chair when I was through, smoking his cigar. I had a feeling that he was relieved. I learned later from his wife, to whom he had told this, that he had gone back to his apartment and said, “Well, we had our first Cabinet meeting.”

Mrs. Garner had said, “Was Miss Perkins there?”

“Oh, yes.”

“What kind of woman is she?”

“Well, I guess she's all right,” he said. “She didn't interrupt. She didn't butt in. She didn't ask any questions. She kept still until the President asked her what she had to say. Then she said it. She said it loud enough so I