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could hear. She said it plain and distinct. She said it short. When she was through, she stopped. I guess she's all right.”

I was always amused at that. Mrs. Garner was a very witty woman by the way. She saw through her husband perfectly, as she did through any other man. She had just been bursting to tell me of this remark because it was characteristic of him. My instinct had been right. They would be afraid of a woman who gabbed too much, or who was too enthusiastic, or who said too much.

So that first Cabinet meeting went all right so far as I was concerned. My memory is that that Cabinet meeting dissolved into a larger meeting almost immediately. We didn't go through the two hours altogether. The Speaker of the House, Henry Rainey, and one or two other people from the legislative branch of the government, came over. Who the others were I'm not quite sure. It may have been the Chairman of the Judiciary. It probably was Chairman of Finance. We dissolved, anyway, into a larger meeting - not very much larger, but about half a dozen more people came in.

The questions really dealt with that to do about some emergency banking program. Roosevelt was canvassing the support of the leaders for some proposal which Woodin had