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sure whether they then had that press room on the ground floor of the executive wing or not. My memory is that they didn't that they had no press room, that such members of the press that were around had been permitted in the White House gate and were standing outside on the little terrace, the little paved part, just outside the entrance to the executive wing of the White House. As we came out, they swarmed around, but there were nothing like as many of them as now exist. There were twenty of thirty at the most. They wanted to know what had happened at Cabinet meeting, what was said, who was who. They didn't know us by sight, not clearly, or not all of them did. They wanted Ickes pointed out. They wanted Wallace pointed out. They, of course, knew Hull and Swanson, but they didn't know everybody else. Of course, they spotted me easily because I was the only lady in the outfit and so they knew it must be me. One of them came rushing up to speak to me and asked me what had happened - “Now, Miss Perkins, you tell us what happened in Cabinet meeting, what you think was important.”

I was a little bewildered because nobody had said that this business of being interviewed by the press when the came out of Cabinet meeting was likely to happen. I was brought up in the tradition that the don't tell the press anything. You certainly don't answer questions about the