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his own terms. His own terms would include the abolition of this union label “racket,” as he called it, about which he was very bitter. They hadn't done it, however, and years and years and years had gone by and the AF of L paid no attention to his rising and successful union. All of this made Hillman jealous, sore and so forth.

In the time of troubles when there was great unemployment, or when there was a great strike, they had found themselves without the financial support, as well as the moral support, of the other unions of the AF of L. Those unions would always contribute to the strike relief fund of a union that was having a rough time. The richer unions, the unemployment relief funds of other unions. There had been a great deal of brotherhood and comity between them to that extent. Well, of course, the Hillman union didn't have any opportunity to ask for the help of the others, although they had several times voted funds to other unions that were in trouble, either by unemployment or by a long drawn out strike where their relief funds had given out. They did that to show their fraternal feeling, but it was not reciprocated.

I talked to Wolman about all this. Wolman was then the economic adviser to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers