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to the union that's on strike. But Perkins thinks it's of no consequence. So Perkins isn't going to go to Akron. So you compromise with it and say, “Well, the matter is being handled at the present time by our conciliators. I'm in constant touch with him. We hope that something will be arrived at within the next twenty-four hours.”

“What is the plan now? What plan are they discussing, Miss Perkins? What is the solution that you think is about worked out?”

You give a little evasive answer. You say, “Our people in Akron don't seem to know that.” You were actually improvising to gain time. You were hoping and had suggested a plan on the telephone to Akron. If you say what the plan is and what they're really working on, then it will never come about because the newspaper locally will print it, the strikers will read it, and they simply won't do that, or the employers will read that's what Perkins is going to make them do and certainly they don't do it them. You can spoil a situation by letting be printed what it is you hope they'll agree on - just spoil any voluntary arrangement, and if it isn't voluntary it isn't real and doesn't work.

So they would pressure you. There was another strike situation in Toledo. I said, “We think the local people can attend to this.