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about something else and I said to him, “Colonel Hugh Cooper is back. He came to see me.” I sort of sketched what he had told me about the Russians and about how they needed American materials, goods, instruction and so forth, and I said, “He thinks that the time has come for the recognition of Russia. Now, I don't know anything about that, but that's what he thinks. Anyhow, he'd like to see you. Would you like to see him? If you Wouldn't like to I can wash it out by postponing it and so forth.”

He said, “Yes, I'd like to see him. I'd like to know what he thinks. He must to an interesting fellow.”

The President was always avid for knowledge and information, particularly first-hand information that anybody had. So I made the appointment for Colonel Cooper and he went over to see the President. He wasn't recognized by the press particularly because he wasn't well-known in this country. They knew his name, but it wasn't too important to them. He talked to the President for a long time, the best part of an afternoon. I wasn't there, of course, but be talked to me afterwards and said, “You know, I really think that I got the idea over to the President. He seemed very interested.”

I said, “Of course, this is not my field, Colonel Cooper. I have nothing to do with it. I won't know much more about it, because he will, of course, take this up with the