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one can keep. He's making promises in the name of the President. He's got to be stopped. Something's got to be done. You must de it. You're the only person that will take a hand at it,” and so forth.

I was always being asked to take a hand with Hugh and see if I couldn't stop him from doing certain things. Every now and then I did try to. Even the President asked me to stop his taking Robbie (Miss Frances Robinson) to New York. She was his secretary. I always kept on pretty good terms with Hugh.

When it got to be so bad that people who were really taking the responsibility of the NRA, serving on its head committees and its boards, were disturbed about it, and the President was reached and told it was disturbing, they said, “For heaven's sakes, can't we get Johnson out of here voluntarily?” I was nominated by the people who were concerned to talk to Baruch. I remember that Nelson Slater was one of those people, Donald Richberg, Marvin McIntyre, and others. I don't mean to say that we held a convention to talk over matters of this sort. Blackie (Blackwell) Smith, who was a very subordinate fellow in the NRA and a young lawyer, was one of the most conscientious and worrisome types I ever saw. He had enlisted in what he thought was a good cause and he was horrified to find that his General didn't