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in the early days at all with any Southern group. He was strictly a young man who had come to New York to get on in the world.

I just met him socially first around New York at some one's house. I may have met him at Uncle Henry Morgenthau's house, but I should have said that I met him before the Wilson administration.

He was not a great benefactor of the usual charitable and civic organizations, or if he was, he was a private one. By the time I remember anything about him he was a Democrat. I had met him before the '24 convention. I might have met him at the house of Sumner or Jimmy Gerard. I knew he was a Democrat. There was no question about that. Whether he was a bona fide, stand-still-and-be-sure-you're-there Democrat, I don't know. I don't think he was associated with Tammany Hall, but I'm sure he knew the leaders, that he knew Murphy.

In the 1924 convention in Madison Square Garden it was obvious that he was working for McAdoo who wanted the nomination. I was no delegate, just a visitor, but I was a permanent visitor. I was there every day and belonged to the group that very much wanted Al Smith. Baruch was clearly working for McAdoo. Why, I never knew. McAdoo had a very fine reputation in those days. McAdoo was