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with them. In the days when Baruch's star was in the ascendant in New York and he was actively in business, the Warburgs, the Seligmans and the Lewisohns weren't Zionist, so they couldn't hold against him the fact that he had done nothing for the Zionist cause. The Jews who mattered in business, in the professions, in the general leadership and social work, weren't Zionists. There may have been such a thing as Zionism and there probably was, but it wasn't anywhere where anybody saw it and whatever Jews there were who were attached to it in New York were an obscure group of lower middle class people, I should say. I don't know who they were. The first person I ever met who said he believed in Zionism, or who was at any rate going to throw his lot in with them, was Judah Magnes who was the Rabbi of one of the big temples - Temple Emanu-El- a very distinguished, learned and attractive man. He was very American in his background, outlook and that kind of thing. He had married one of the Lowenstein girls who had access to great wealth. The University in Jerusalem was just being started. That was the first time I had ever heard of Zionism, in that it was anything but a kind of theory. I heard that settlers were actually going in and trying to build up a modern community. Magnes was asked to become the head of it and he did go. I remember