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meeting him at dinner at somebody's house - I think Ernest Poole's house. It was just after this had been decided. I remember saying to him, “I'm astonished, Dr. Magnes, (I had known him because he had been on social work boards and was interested in the social improvements in New York.) that you should even think of going off to that remote part of the world to bury yourself. After all, you have so much to do here. Why do you go? What is the idea? Who's there anyhow? I respect the missionary instinct, but it seems to me that other people can be missionaries beside you.”

Whereupon, he laid out for me, in the most spiritual terms really this sense of vocation that he had. He didn't say that he was a committed Zionist, but he mentioned that there was a Zionist movement. He said that there were people who wanted to go and live in Palestine. The tradition in Jewry of the sacred city of Jerusalem was very great. It was spiritually important for the Jews to have this homeland and this place that they would associate themselves with psychologically. The university was a part of the movement. To have a university which not only welcomed Jews from all parts of the world as students and teachers, but which would establish this thing which all Jews longed for almost instinctively - this instinct for intellectual leadership and intellectual functioning as a part of Jewry - was very important. It was