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During the period that Smith was Governor I don't have any recollection of Baruch in connection with Albany, or of anybody saying, “We ought to ask Baruch about that,” or “would you telephone to Baruch?” I don't have any recollection of that. At the same time, I know that Smith knew him and that Smith saw him and that Baruch was a respectable elder statesman. I realize now that he couldn't be so old then, but from the time I first saw him he looked like an elderly man. He was very white very early. Whereas, he was always very springy, very alive and very responsive, I thought of him as a very old man. He's only eighty-three of ‘four now, so that twenty years ago, when the New Deal came in, he was only sixty-three or ‘four. When Al Smith was Governor, Baruch was only fifty-something-or-other, but he looked like an old man then. I thought of him as an elder statesman then. I think that was partly because he was white and partly because he gave himself a certain air.

when I speak of him as an elder statesman, I don't mean to slander him in any way. I mean that he was a person who was older and wiser than the rest of us, and given to giving advice, rather than pulling hard on the oars. He told you how you should go and how you should row. I think of that in seafaring terms, because I've seen more