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and he dismissed him.

I don't remember who else we suggested. They were the people in the popular mind. I don't remember who I suggested. He had reasons why none of them would work.

Then I said, “Well, there's one thing you could do and it would serve at least as a stop-gap, although I'm sure that this isn't the proper way to do it. I don't think that you ought ordinarily to ask a Cabinet officer to take on a special administrative function. You probably would like to appoint somebody else.”

He said, “I don't know that that's necessary. Who? Do you want to do it yourself?”

I said, “Oh, mercy no. Far from it. I've got too many troubles now. I don't know Harold Ickes very well. I don't know him any better than I know anybody else in the Cabinet, but I have been very well impressed with his kind of punctilious, fussy, scrutiny of detail. It's just exactly the wrong kind of quality to be the leader of this National Recovery Act, with the hullabaloo that it's bound to get. But you put me on two or three committees with Ickes. I see how he operates. I know something about what's going on over there in the Interior Department. He's certainly after every little ripple of irregularity. He finds out about it in his own way and comes down on it