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it. It became a big issue when he wasn't going to administer everything. As later I watched the operation of NRA and as I heard his descriptions of what he wanted it to be, I couldn't see how he could possibly have used the public works element in any way that would have seriously contributed to the stimulation of industry, unless he used it as a pure bribe, which would have been highly improper. I couldn't see how they would do it. If the NRA had been a going concern, if that was the way we conducted business in this country and had for twenty years, it's just possible that that would have been the appropriate place to hang the public works program on. I don't know. But, anyway, we didn't have it. There was no organization. He didn't have a clerk, stenographer, telephone operator, office, or anything.

Johnson was still stable at this point. You have to know the variety of human beings there are in the world to understand all this. You have to know the non-conformist type who doesn't look, act and behave just like everybody else. He's a very useful type in human society and often has great drive and energy and ability. The tendency to judge people as being batty because they're not regular is a kind of a new thing in our life, and you have to watch out for that. He was not batty. I don't think he ever was batty, except when he was so far gone with drink, and then