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That is, he wasn't able to control himself when he had these sieges of emotional excitement. I've seen certain children that I grew up with who in childhood were subject to just that same kind of emotional debauchery, almost, but who later learned to control it. You recognized that they had terrific emotional power that could become violent almost, but they did learn in the course of a bringing-up to control those tendencies. He was the same kind of a person as these particular children that I knew, but somehow he had never learned to control it. He had just carried that right on over into his adult life.

When he had these emotional seizures they were terrific. This reaction to Ickes' appointment was a terrific one. Of course, there's just a bare possibility, and I've always thought of this, that he was play-acting just a little bit to me. Whenever anybody has an emotional explosion on me, I always think that some of it is put on for my benefit. My daughter says I'm very unsympathetic on that account, but at least I cool them off. The fact that I don't get too disturbed and that I think they're probably putting part of it on gives me a cooling effect upon them. That was all I hoped to do with him that afternoon - to cool him off so that he wouldn't act in anger and make a statement to the press.