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Anyhow, I know that by the time Leon Henderson joined the NRA Consumers' Committee Mrs. Rumsey knew about the consumers' council at the Agricultural Adjustment Administration and knew that they were doing something or other. I don't know that she knew much about it, but she knew that they were dealing in questions of economics at some point. She was impressed, therefore, by the idea that an economist would be a good thing on her committee.

How we arrived at the economist that we finally got, I don't know. Who suggested this man, I don't know. His name was William F. Ogburn. There are two Ogburns. There is Will Ogburn and Charlton Ogburn. They are brothers and they look something alike. One of them is a lawyer and one of them is an economist. Charlton Ogburn is the lawyer and he later became the General Counsel for the AF of L. At any rate, I knew Charlton Ogburn. I had known him in New York - not very well, but briefly. He had defended some labor union on something and had appeared before the Industrial Commission in regard to some workman's compensation cases for a particular union which he then represented. I knew him in that way. I knew him as a very well educated man, a gentleman obviously, who had some relationships with labor and who appeared Occasionally for labor unions. I didn't know much else about him, but he was a trustworthy, decent fellow.