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put labor people on committees. They don't do anything. Somebody has to do it for them and then they s quawk. Then you have to listen to them squawk. Then you have to make some modifications, usually word modifications that don't have much meaning. I've never seen one labor person - but maybe we'll see some out of the new group - that would really put his mind onto a delicate committee project and proposition where there was real information to be dealt with and real policy to be developed. They're just not interested.

Labor men are just interested in bargaining. A labor leader is a bargainer. That's why he gets to be a labor leader. There may be some good old man in the union who would be fine if you could find him, and who would really enter into an economic analysis of the situation, but for the most part the people who rise to the top are the bargainers - the good bargainers, the clever organizers, the publicity men. I don't mean publicity men professionally, but the men who have a good sense of publicity, good public relations. Good leaders and good bargainers primarily are the ones who rise to the top - a man who can persuade people to accept his decision.

It isn't that they're not educated. Nobody's educated in economics. Anybody can read a book on it and know as much as the next fellow. It isn't that. It's just that they're





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