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row there. The rows were largely with Johnson.

So Wolman was very good and kept the thing well organized. He was interested and concerned about the codes. Also he was always very close to Alex Sachs, and Sachs was always persona grata to Johnson and was around everywhere. So he was extremely helpful.

Sachs is a most peculiar man and is, I suppose, somewhat eccentric because he's got too much brains. He's one of the most interesting human beings I ever met in my entire life. I've learned more from him than I've learned from any one person - a greater variety of things. He's one of these mentalities that's all inclusive. He's well posted and well informed in a great variety of fields - not just in economics, banking and things like that, but in a lot of other fields.

For instance, Alex Sachs took the second prize in expository preaching, though that's not the name it goes by in the theological seminaries, in the year that Harry Emerson Fosdick took the first prize. Sachs was an infant prodigy. He went through schools and went through Columbia College before he was hardly old enough to walk. His parents were frantic for something for him to do because he wasn't old enough to be employed acceptably when he had an A.B. degree. In the course of his studies for an A.B. degree he had studied philosophy, which he was very good at and was interested in.