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and Meyer Jacobstein was, I think, a Congressman - if he wasn't, he had been. Their attitude was, “Who are these people? What are they doing?” I must say that had crossed my mind as I saw them - who were they? They had no responsible part in the government as yet. They were just a group of citizens, who of course had a right to meet, but they were working on some deliberate pattern which they assumed the President wanted. It was interesting to see Wagner and Jacobstein irritated, and, more than irritated, somewhat alarmed that this was being done by persons who had no official responsibility. You couldn't impeach them, you couldn't question them even. They thought it was way off the reservation and that nobody knew who they were and what they had in mind anyhow.

Jacobstein and Wagner told me something of their plan. I said to them, “It's not really very unlike what I gather they're working on in the Tugwell-Johnson group. It has elements that are much the same. You, at least, have been talking about the question of setting aside the anti-trust laws, which is what they were talking about. That's very different from what I had anticipated anybody was talking about.”

“Well,” said Wagner, “you know, it would have to be done. The anti-trust laws are very firm in this country and





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