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It was the wickedest thing imaginable. He couldn't stand it. He would get on the telephone and try to tell people what to do. They would get mad at him. He would tell employers, “The NRA says they can organize. Let them.” Well, they wouldn't listen to him. It was in the law that they could organize, so he felt they should be allowed to. Any interference with that had to be stopped. At one time he suggested some very violent action of force against unions that struck, but we were able to persuade him that the fault wasn't with the unions in most of these cases, but with the employers who even though the law said that the employees could organize and bargain with them, wouldn't let them. Then his immediate thought was to force the employer to do it. We had to argue, “But you haven't got policing enough. You can't do that. The other employers won't stand by that policing. You just can't boycott the refractory employer.”

Johnson said, “I can stop them. I can deprive them of their supplies, cut off their raw materials.” That was just talk. He couldn't of course do that. But this is when I really began to get worried about his dreams of glory, when he began saying what he would do if they didn't do as he told them to over the telephone.

We said to him, “That isn't the way. You settle strikes by conciliation.”