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“Well, I believe in compulsory arbitration.”

We said, “That's all right, but compulsory arbitration won't work. Nothing compulsory works because they just won't do it. You have to have them agree to it. Arbitration is fine if they agree.”

We finally got him talked out of trying to force the issue. He said, “Why don't I appoint a conciliation board like we had in the First World War?”

I said, “I think that's all right. Go ahead and do it.” We helped him select some of the people for it. This was wholly within NRA. I helped him a good deal.

He kept saying, “We've got to have big names, impressive names that will impress the country. I think Senator Wagner ought to be on it.”

I remember saying to him, “General Johnson, I'm not sure Senator Wagner's name will impress the country. You know about him and I know about him, because we live in New York and we think he's wonderful.”

“He introduced the NRA bill. He's the great friend. Everybody has trust in Senator Wagner.”

I said, “All right, that'll probably be fine.” I was a little afraid of having any Senator, because they are so upstage and have to have their own way so completely. Even Wagner, nice man as he was, had been affected a little