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deal with. But they wouldn't meet with him or with anybody from their own mill. Rieve agreed that they should meet with somebody from their own mill, one of their own workers, but they wouldn't do it under any circumstances.

At this point I then turned it over to the NRA Board and Swope was assigned to see what he could do. Swope came over and talked to me in my office about it. He said, “I'm not going up there to Reading. Why shouldn't he come down here?”

I undertook then to persuade the proprietor to come to Washington. It took some persuading, I may say, and it took a little subterfuge, a lot of flattery, a lot of laying it on that the government wished to consult him, that we were not able to see everything clearly and perhaps were misinformed, and would he come to explain it to the government? As a German he had that sense of the seriousness of government. He felt, I suppose an obligation - or at least it was not contrary to his principles - to pay a call upon his government. He recognized the government of the United States.

At any rate, be came down. He had one other person with him whom I do not recall. Whether he was a lawyer, or whether he was just one of the managerial associates, or the personnel officer, I don't remember. At any rate, he