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to do with your mill or with the unions, to police it, just as they police any other.”

The man was expostulating that it couldn't be done. In the meantime I had gone into the next room and was dealing with the union to make sure that they would agree to that and make no rumpus. They said that would be fine and were sure they would win. I was calling up the mayor of the city to see if he thought the election machinery could be used. He was pretty confused about it. He had never heard of such a thing, but neither had anybody else. But he thought it was not impossible and said he would inquire. He began inquiring around among the board of elections. They decided, after a few hours, that it would be possible.

We adjourned until the next day and Schwartz came back. By this time Gerard was all het up about his plan for having the vote taken. He went to talk to Teagle, Wagner and whoever else was around from the Board. They were enthusiastic. It was a way out. It was a kind of an invention of a way out of a dilemma which was developing rather frequently, with employers saying that their members did not wish to belong to unions, did not wish to have a union represent them and were being terrorized into cooperation with the union organizers. So whoever was around that day who was on that NRA Board thought it was a good idea. Swope urged me to go forward with it.