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Brotherhoods at the time. That didn't give him any special standing. Harold Ickes knew him in that relationship, as he came from Chicago.

I'm very sure that I talked to Ickes about this. I know I did. He had been very much interested in public works, and really cared very much that they should be a part of the program. I don't recall talking to Wallace about it again, except superficially. I realized that Wallace was intrigued with his NRA idea. It was a big idea and he was quite intrigued with it as a big idea. He didn't care if it did spoil the pattern of public works.

I conceived it to be my duty to keep alive the idea of having a public works program and putting it into effect now. In my only examination of what I should do, I said, “I don't care about what they do about anything else. Let them do anything else they want to try - just so we get a public works program.” I was convinced that public works would give large scale employment and that if you got large scale employment started, there might be a blossoming out from that of all the other factors, although I recognized this wouldn't happen overnight. I felt sure that it was one known thing that human beings had known about and had utilized in other crises with good, if not spectacular results. The results of this new idea were supposed to