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I said, “Well, for that matter, Senator, I'm going to be on it. I'm ex officio member and I'll be there. Any woman's angles that come up I assure you I'll go into them carefully.”

“Well, yes,” he said, “but I think it would be a good idea to appoint a woman. Now there's this Mrs. Rosenberg. She did splendid work in the NRA in New York. I think she'd be very valuable and you'd make a very popular move to appoint her.”

“Well,” I said, “Senator, if I may say so, I don't think hardly anybody outside of the NRA in New York City has ever heard of her. I don't think it'll make any hit. I'll inquire around and find out if anybody else knows her. The politicians in New York don't know her.”

“Well,” he said, “she hasn't been much in politics, of course.”

I said, “She's nothing to the party. She's nothing to the women's organizations. They won't just rise up and scream for her. They don't know her either. I've tried to find out if they do.”

“Well, you think about it anyhow.”

I let on to Wagner that I knew what had been going on and that his messengers had gotten to me. I think I even told him that McIntyre had called me.