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So I said I'd think about it, having already decided that I wouldn't do it. It was simply crazy, and I had promised Gerard Swope that this wouldn't be a junket.

So I went on over to New York, having said no to everyone. I got to New York and was in my club the night before I was to sail. Lubin called again and said, “The Senator is up in arms. He's just frantic. He's so determined to have that woman go.”

I said, “Well, Lubin, what do you think? Do you think there's any sense in it?”

“No,” he said, “there isn't any sense in it at all, unless you want to appease the Senator.”

“Why should I want to appease the Senator? There's nothing to appease him about. He's got no place to go but with us. He is a New Deal Senator. He isn't anything else. If he tries to be an anti-Roosevelt Senator, where's he going to be? There's no reason we should appease him. We've helped him at every point. He's helped us at every point. We're one band of brothers. Why should I do it for appeasement? I never heard of such a thing.” I wasn't going to do it.

The next day I went down to the boat, having said no all around. In the meantime Gerard Swope had heard about