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of certain neglected parts of the industry who were not in the trade associations. Roper had begun to hear from the small business man to the effect that these matters were all being decided by the big boys in the industry, that the little fellows weren't being consulted, that they were being crowded out. As the Secretary of Commerce Roper wanted to know. That always annoyed Johnson very much because he thought that the Secretary of Commerce ought to know those answers without asking him.

We had a difficult time getting from Hugh any specific information. That's when I finally corralled Blacky Smith as a colleague. I said, “Now, you just take over this business of preparing the weekly report for this Cabinet committee. You know what's going on in the NRA, or you're in a position to know what's going on as well as anybody. You prepare that report whether Johnson comes and gives it or not. Johnson, or Richberg, or you, or any economist that's working for the NRA, should come and give the report that you get ready. Johnson will probably come if he's got a report that he understands and can stick to. So you make the report and you see that he learns it, and come along with him.”

That worked very well for a few weeks, because Blackwell Smith had a very orderly mind and did know what