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I said to her, “Why don't you ask Mr. Baruch to come out for lunch? After all, Baruch's his best friend. I want to talk to him.”

So I talked to Mr. Baruch privately and said that I thought things were bad. I didn't tell him every detail, but I told him some detail. I didn't tell him about everything at Walter Reed, but that I, myself, had been obliged to observe some of these situations and that I could vouch for the others. I told him that Johnson was intoxicated and apparently in very bad shape for days at a time, and there wasn't anything that could be done about it. We wanted to spare him, but what could be done?

It was then that Baruch told me, “Of course I'm not surprised. Hugh has done this a great many times. He goes along fine for a while and then he goes all out on a terrific bout. He has gone very, very low at times.”

He had never mentioned that before to me, and I said, “Well, Mr. Baruch, you never told me this.”

He said, “I told you he wasn't a fit person to be the head of NRA. I told you that, you remember?”

I said, “Yes, I remember, but I never dreamed of this. Why didn't you tell me?”

He said, “Well, at that time Hugh was straightened out and I thought he might be all right. He was riding