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memory, to make a mental note of everything the President said, exactly what our instructions were, and exactly what changes, if any, were to be made.

At any rate, what I said to the President is like this. “I know there has been great confusion about this. I will have to talk to you when there aren't other people around, because it's a question of the public works program. The question is - Are we to have a public works program, or are we not to have a public works program? I know that Douglas is opposed to it. It's perfectly all right for him to be opposed to it. I know why he is, and it's sincere and honest on his part. But I don't like the way he has made his opposition private and secret, instead of public where we could get at him. I think there are arguments on the other side and I want you to listen to me a few minutes. I know he's told you all the reasons against it.”

I itemized what the reasons for a public works program were, why it would not only be a revival of trades that depended upon work at the site, but a revival of the trades that depended upon the preparation and shipment of materials, how, although it would not get into operation immediately, It would have a more stabilizing and permanent effect than any other one thing, because it would put a solid, substantial layer of operation, with money going out to industries for