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the employment of people, that we couldn't hope to accomplish by this National Recovery Act on the basis of agreements. We still didn't know whether the manufacturers would have any orders to make anything at any price, even if they didn't compete with each other. We didn't know the market.

I pointed back to the conference we had had in Albany of all the Governors of the eastern states, to the vital recommendation they had made that public works was the one basic remedy we knew, and that we must always utilize it in periods of unemployment, that he had not only endorsed that, but that he had made speeches on it. I could quote him and knew that he had once been convinced. It was the one thing that everybody who had ever studied the problem of unemployment was convinced about. Public works, while not a panacea, was the one solid, substantial, practical thing to do to help overcome unemployment.

I made as good a statement as I could. I said, “We've got to ‘lock the presses now.' If Douglas hears about this before this bill goes in on Monday morning, he will do all he can to upset it. I want to tell you that it's out of the draft now. Do you want Title II put back or not? Wagner wants it back. You do believe me, don't you? If you want to verify it, I know where you can reach him by telephone.”

He said, “No, I don't want to verify it. I know