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He said to me going back in the car that afternoon, “This is really a most revealing thing.” He was quite a young man. He said, “I've studied law. I've studied political science. I never could have conceived that important matters were settled like this, but this is the way government operates apparently.”

I said, “I'm sure this is the way it always does, Charlie. You have to keep your eyes open all the time.”

I always felt queer about it, though. I don't like to deal with a man that way. I would have liked to either have had Douglas beaten in an open fight and stay beaten, (that's what I really would have liked) or I would have preferred to have him beat me. Then I would have taken the next step, which was to get the public works bill introduced separately. This method had the advantage, however, that the Tugwell-Johnson group were for it. Wagner was for it because it would be easier to get it through this way. Richberg's group was for it. I was for it because it would be easier to get it through this way. It would be done at once and there wouldn't be a second bill to get prepared and wangled through the Congress.

Douglas never referred to this afterwards, except once. I don't know how he found out, but I'm sure he knew what had happened. I tried later on to intervene when the