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we, I know. I'm told that at Bascom Timmons' book on Garner that Garner had thought that the President would speak against the sit-down strike, but that Wallace and Harry Hookins had talked him out of it. I don't know anything for sure about that, but I don't think they had. I don't believe that Wallace or Harry Hopkins got much concerned about it. I don't think Wallace got concerned about it at all, and I don't think he would have interposed any advice on the subject. Harry may have, of course, because Harry was around and the President was likely to ask Harry's advice about anything. But there was great pressure on the President by some parties to say that the strike was reprehensible. I knew any time anybody had suggested it to him because he would call me up and say, “They're pressing me very hard. What do you think I'd better do?”

I said, “Well, do you think it's reprehensible?”

He said, “Yes, I do, don't you?”

I said, “Yes, I do. But after you've said it's reprehensible, then what happens? What are we going to do next? I'll say to you that it's reprehensible and you tell me it's reprehensible. So long as we only say it to each other we don't have to do anything. What are we going to do next?”

He said, “That's what I don't know.”