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haven't yet gotten to the point where the President of the United States tells the Governors of sovereign states what they're to do incide their own sovereign states.” He made a few little jokes, kind of pacified Garner, and said, “Well, Jack, if it comes to that, we're not going to lot Murphy down. If Murphy says that he needs help from the federal government, you can be sure we'll give it to him. But Murphy's got his duty to perform. He's the Governor of the state. He's got to use his own best judgment.”

Well, Garner was very angry. I know that.

I then said that we were having lawyers looking into the law on the subject. That made Garner mad. He couldn't see why lawyers needed to look into this. It was as plain as the nose on your face. You didn't need my lawyer to tell you about that. It was clear.

I remember thinking to myself, “My goodness, is this responsible government action that he is thinking about? Doesn't a responsible government officer, even when angry, take good counsel to be sure that the actions that he takes are not tyrannical and are clearly covered by the laws and the authority which he has?” But that was just a thought to myself, and I knew that Garner was very angry.

Garner had been a good friend of mine up to that time. He began from that time on to be doubtful about