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Steel to recognize the union and to deal with them. Of course, I don't know the terms and conditions. That would depend upon the circumstances. As a matter of fact, one of the great stumbling blocks is that there are still so many men who say they don't want to belong to the union. To a very large extent, the directors of the steel company and the managerial staff, believe that the majority of the men don't want to belong to the union, that at least a very large number of them don't want to belong to the union, and never will if they're not obliged to. It's the closed shop theory that makes them go crazy. I must say that I myself am revelted by the idea of the closed shop, that men have got to join the union in order to have a job in my factory. I just don't like forcing people to join something if they don't want to. I know, of course, all the arguments for it, and so forth. I recognize that that's the way they've made progress in some places, but that's what sticks in the crop of the steel company. That would be where there would be difficulty.”

Well, we had a very nice talk. I felt very much at ease.

He said, “You know, if some formula could be found on which these matters could be settled, we might