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things. That was about all there was to our conversation.

Now, getting back to Sloan and General Motors. I just wanted to bring Taylor into the picture because he fits in with what I'm going to say about General Motors.

This idea that an employer might deal with a union as representing its members in their plant was a formula we could deal with. I don't know whether Taylor invented that formula, or whether somebody else invented that formula. Stettinius was the first person I heard speak of it, but he spoke of it as having been Taylor's idea. I talked that formula over with Walter Chrysler, who was jolly well keeping out of this automobile strike. I suppose Walter Chrysler was talking pretty, or evasively, with some kind of anticipation that his company was going to do something for them in the future, to such union people who came to him or to his subordinates. Hillman told me, “We've been getting very good responses from Chrysler's outfit. I think that if we can ever get this General Motors thing out of the way, we can do business with Chrysler.”

Well, I, of course, kept my mouth firmly shut, because the Secretary of Labor shouldn't pass on gossip from one person to the other, but I knew that Chrysler