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them. I remember saying to him, “Why?”

He said, “Well, you know, General Motors is a new industry. It hasn't got as many financial entanglements as some of the older industries have.” Then he said with a smile, “The automobile industry has always been kind of a maverick too, you know. If they want to run out ahead and be the test group, that's all right. What's the matter with that?”

In other words, I gathered that steel was going to lie right back and not get in trouble if it could avoid it, letting the automobile industry work out some of these things and take the brunt of the trouble. There must have been other employers in large industries who were feeling about the same thing. I don't think there was any conspiracy. I don't think there'd been much talking around about it, but it was a kind of natural feeling of, “Let the automobile boys, who think they are so clever, and have run right around us on everything, never asking us what they should do, see what they can do. They've busted up all kinds of industrial patterns in this country by what they've done. Let them worry.”

Taylor told me how concerned he was about the General Motors thing. We talked about that and other