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people like Wyzanski and Tom Eliot who would tell me all that was bad in a problem, as well as all that was good, before they recommended signing something.

So my feeling about Pressman being out there with Lewis and Hillman was not very reassuring. I didn't feel at ease at all. I finally said this to Hillman. I almost think I said it over the telephone, because I don't think I saw him during this period, but I talked with him frequently. The men were not out of the factories yet. I said to Hillman, “Why aren't they? You told me the minute they got going in any kind of a meeting that they would go right cut.”

He said, “Well, it seems best not to. Lewis thinks it's better for them not to come out yet. We haven't started negotiating. The responsible people are not here. Lewis is very anxious that the responsible people shall enter into this situation.”

I said, “The men will come out, I'm very sure, if you will Just advise them.”

He said, “I'm not so sure.” I said, “What kind of contact have you got with them? I'm sure you've not been in the plants and you know that the men who are the ostensible officers of the union don't really know much about what's going on.” I