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for you.”

Then he said, “Well, Madam Secretary, I've heard all these rumors too. He may be a Communist, or he may think he is. You never can tell with these young men. But I want to assure you that John L. Lewis knows how to use him no matter what he is. John L. Lewis knows how to use him. I can use him. I assure you that when I'm through with him I will shake him out if I don't want him any more. John L. Lewis knows how to do that kind of thing. You don't need to give it a moment's worry, Madam Secretary.”

Well, I knew from what Lewis had said that he probably too had heard, and perhaps with better foundation, the rumors. The rumors that I heard that he was kind of Red had no foundation. Nobody had ever given me even a trace of evidence. It was Just pure word of mouth gossip, which you shouldn't believe, but which, of course, you listen to sometimes, taking it under consideration. I wouldn't have laid my impression of his personality against him to anybody else. I wouldn't have him around me because I felt a snaky, unctuous quality. I felt sure that he would always be persuading me to sign something and perhaps later I would regret that I had signed. I didn't want a fellow like that around me. I wanted very trustworthy





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