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several months earlier to organize either prior to 7(a), or Just at the time it was passed. My impression is that he had been sent to organize earlier, because the AF of L, through the machinists and others, had made unsuccessful efforts to organize in the automobile industry. I think he was sent out before the NRA, and probably before 1933.

I had known Collins for a long time. He was originally a street car conductor by trade - that was his craft - and he was a horse car conductor at that. I speak of this because the antagonism and the misunderstanding between him and the men he was trying to organize was so comic that I noted it and even talked with him about it. It was so obvious. Collins couldn't bear machinery. He just hated it. He was a horse car conductor. He was a driver and then he was a conductor. He liked to drive the horses. That's what he liked to do and that's what he knew how to do. He once said to me in this early '33 period when the automobile people came down, “These are the funniest fellows I ever had anything to do with. They are the darndest people. They actually love those machines they operate. They don't talk like up and coming union men. They just love those machines. They'll talk to you about production, how much production they can get out. They're just as interested in that as