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the boss would be. That's no way for a working man to be. A working man ought to get paid for his time. To think of liking those machines, Why, the machine has been the ruination of the working man. Look what it's done. It's taken their jobs away from them. It's spoiled life, but these fellows really like it.”

I remember laughing at him and saying, “Well, Mr. Collins, every man to his own taste. You were brought up in the days of the horse car and so you had that. But these fellows, like lots of other Americans, have grown up with machinery and they do like it.”

He just thought it was a terrible interference with the life of the working man. The result was that Collins and the men he was trying to orgenize never understood each other for one moment. The men in the automobile business wanted to keep up production. They understood that their wages and the employer's profit all flowed out of production. They didn't think of the employer as sitting on a horde of money somewhere and as they themselves being paid for their time unwillingly. There was a very strong difference in the attitudes of two periods separated by, I suppose, a gap of thirty-five years.

I had known Collins from way back in New York State,