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where he also was acting as an organizer. He had been sent up as an organizer to help out in the strike of the metal workers at Rome, New York when we had the big strike in the copper works there. That was, I think the first time I had ever met him in any effective way. I might have met him at meetings before that, but at that time I had really become acquainted with him. He was useful and very helpful, very Irish, and very easy-going.

The AF of L had sent him out to organize any way he could in Detroit and that area of automobile workers. When this delegation of automobile workers came down spontaneously, nobody having invited them and nobody knowing who they were, he was not with them. They came either to NR A, first or to the Department of Labor first. If they went to NRA, they were sent to the Department of Labor, because they accosted me very early in the day. They were full of complaints - Why weren't they getting a code? They wanted a code. Why wasn't there a code for the automobile industry?

I remember saying, “Well, now, has your union made any overtures to the employers? Where do you all work?”

They worked in several different plart s around Detroit for the most part. They didn't seem to know each other very well. It was a hit or miss sort of a group.