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and operators from the port of Seattle, one of them an Englishman. We had a most interesting ovening, a very delightful and interesting conversation, during which we talked about the whole theory of unions. The Englishman from cattle, I may may, spread sweetness and light over the picture in telling how valuable and how useful the unions had been in England, How they couldn't have possibly built and operated ships without the unions, how English employers prefer a union, the reasons for that being the stability of the situation, the orderly advance in wages and working conditions, the involvement of the workmen in knowledge of how the operation is carried on, and what his economic, social and other problems are, in the training of new workers - all that kind of thing. It was a completely civilized and humane attitude toward the whole thing.

He, of course, had dealt with the International Longahoremen's Union in the port of Seattle for some time. He thought that although the American union was a little different from the English union, it was nothing that gave him a bit of alarm. Somebody raised the question about whether these unions were very radical and very communist. I remember he said, that what difference does