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He claimed that he was doing this out of a sheer patriotism and that it was a project of his own. I think that Reilly once questioned him as to who really supported him, where he got his living, and he indicated that he had other means of support. He still remains to me, even after all these hearings, somewhat of a mysterious character. What he was and why he did what he did has never been fully cleared up. He had no connection whatever with the FBI. That I ascertained. I found that out by asking the FBI people. They didn't know him and never had heard of him. I've often wondered why I didn't think of it at that time, but I never thought of asking the FBI to look him up. I just found out that he was not one of their agents in disguise. At that time the FBI wasn't doing much about this subversive activity. They were tending strictly to the kidnapping business and the other kinds of business for which they were created - the crime across state borders that couldn't be tracked down by the police of a state or a locality. At any rate, he was unknown to them.

We discussed what was the best way to proceed. I remember saying, “I think we must proceed as we would in any other case, but because of the fact that Bridges is a labor leader, and has been a successful labor leader,