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you have to, I suppose, be my counsel. I've not been impeached yet, but this resolution had been introduced and is the first step towards an impeachment. What do you think I should do?”

He said, “I would just keep very quiet.”

I said, “I can't do that. I must have a hearing. I can't stand this. You've got to be either impeached or cleared. I'm not going to let this just go by.”

He finally agreed that that was correct, that I had the right to really demand an immediate hearing of the matter. Reilly and Wyzanski were very firm that I must do that. The same day I got off a request to be heard before the Judiciary Committee. Mr. Hatton Sumners of Texas was the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee. He was elderly even then. I think he seemed older than he really was, because when I recognise that he's about eighty-five now (1953), I realize that he wasn't as old twenty years ago as I thought he was. But he seemed almost eighty to me at that time. He had an elderly attitude, an elderly way. He was a very wise man who had taught law in the University of Texas and in southern Methodist University Law School. He's a very learned man of the old school type of legal thinking - very solid citizen, really, and able. He had peculiar mannerisms, but