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I'm the Solicitor of the Department of Labor, and I'm joined with her in this matter, and I think I should appear.” Houghteling was also mentioned in the impeachment, but we couldn't have Houghteling. Houghteling is a blabbermouth. He's a dear, good, kind, nice man, just as okay as he can be. His heart's in the right place. He's a good administrator. He's intelligent. He's amiable, well-disposed, likes everybody, harbors no ill will, thinks everybody is his friend, just talks, talks, talks, talks. Once he starts talking he can't stop. He explains all the little side issues, goes off into little byways that they hadn't thought of, and so on.

Anyhow Reilly went on to tell Sumners, “I'm her adviser. She's not a lawyer. If they get to questioning her on fine points of law and on procedures before the courts, she only can answer what I have told her. Her only authority for what the procedures of the courts are is what I have told her. I should be there. I assure you, Mr. Sumners, I won't interpose. I won't advise. I won't testify.”

Sumners told him he could not testify, but Reilly insisted on being there. So that was that. We went up to the Hill on the day of the hearing. A lot of the people from the Department came into my office before