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there. Hatton Sumners is the one I recall most plainly, but there must have been a Senator there. There were one or two others from the Congress there. I remember Hatton Sumners most plainly because he did the talking. I thought it unusual when I arrived that some members of Congress were there. It had never happened before.

We all sat down. The President made some very agreeable introductory remarks, being very pleasant, as he always was. He then went on into the question of what a problem the Supreme Court had been to him and to us because of their consistent pattern of turning down the best projects upon which we had relief for overcoming the depression, and stabilizing our industrial life, and preventing further depressions. He said that it seemed like an encroachment of the Court upon the powers of the Legislature. I noted that particularly because he rather emphasized that, mentioning also the powers of the Executive. He said he had been talking about this with the Attorney General and the Attorney General had been giving a great deal of thought to what could be done.

At this point Mr. Hatton Sumners sort of interrupted him when he paused for breath. He said, “Mr. President,