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until a little bit later there emerged a man named Jay Lovestone. Lovestone emerged in the public oress. In my work on the Industrial Commission, and later the Industrial Board, I got reverberations from these unions of the general political confusion that they were in. The men of Lovestone would crop up. They would say, “Lovestone says....Lovestone believes....He's a Lovestone-ite.” They would say that of man in the union who had been around six weeks ago in a collective bargaining negotiation and was no longer present. You would ask what had become of Mr. So-and-so. You'd get, “He's out entirely now. He's a Lovestone-ite.” I remember asking what a Lovestone-ite was, and being told, “He's a man who agrees with Trotsky.”

I remember laughing and saying, “What's that got to do with collective bargaining? What's that got to do with the price pants makers get for this, that, or the other stitching in the garment trades in New York City?”

Lovestone had an office just down the street from the new Tammany Hall on 17th Street and Union Square. I remember somebody saying it was really in the shadow of Tammany Hall. There began to be rumblings that this fellow Lovestone had a great deal of influence,